Comments on: Prosperina: A Mythology of the Modern World Holiday Special http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/ Creative Mung from Eric A. Burns Fri, 01 Apr 2011 15:06:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kate Sith http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1088 Kate Sith Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:38:33 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1088 I see CrazyDave's link and raise you <a href="http://sitasingstheblues.com" rel="nofollow">Sita Sings the Blues</a>. (gorgeous stuff.) I see CrazyDave’s link and raise you Sita Sings the Blues.

(gorgeous stuff.)

]]> By: CrazyDave http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1087 CrazyDave Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:19:20 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1087 Love it. "The coffee of the damned. (Caution may stunt your growth)" A friends Dad had a <a href="http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/backwards-clock/index.html" rel="nofollow">backwards clock</a> on his wall. He used to tell people that he bought it in Austrailia, and blame the Coriolis force. That or he'd say he must have put the batteries in backwards again. I caught a bit on a recent "Woman's Hour" about a <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article425719.ece" rel="nofollow">project to re-tell myths</a>, and empowering the female characters is a very modern thing. Still, I love that the reason we all know the original version is because Mother Nature is a bitch. Love it. “The coffee of the damned. (Caution may stunt your growth)”

A friends Dad had a backwards clock on his wall. He used to tell people that he bought it in Austrailia, and blame the Coriolis force. That or he’d say he must have put the batteries in backwards again.

I caught a bit on a recent “Woman’s Hour” about a project to re-tell myths, and empowering the female characters is a very modern thing. Still, I love that the reason we all know the original version is because Mother Nature is a bitch.

]]> By: burning http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1086 burning Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:55:00 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1086 Amazing, and beautiful. Thanks for the view. I had thought long ago about trying to write a version of the myth where Proserpina was not a victim. I would be annoyed with you for writing this if it wasn't so vastly better than anything I could have come up with. I'll be sure to have a hot buttered rum & cider in honor of the Lady. Amazing, and beautiful. Thanks for the view.

I had thought long ago about trying to write a version of the myth where Proserpina was not a victim. I would be annoyed with you for writing this if it wasn’t so vastly better than anything I could have come up with.

I’ll be sure to have a hot buttered rum & cider in honor of the Lady.

]]> By: dvandom http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1085 dvandom Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:31:16 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1085 Glynn: when things are Invented in the mythic world is not necessarily the same time that they emerge onto the prosaic world. As evidenced by people driving El Dorados before railroads are around. Glynn: when things are Invented in the mythic world is not necessarily the same time that they emerge onto the prosaic world. As evidenced by people driving El Dorados before railroads are around.

]]> By: MadGastronomer http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1084 MadGastronomer Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:42:18 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1084 Oh, the three-in-one representations of Hecate are common throughout the eras in which she was commonly worshipped. But I've never seen any references to her as old prior to the late Roman era, and the classical scholarship on her I've read confirms this. Would you mind telling me where you've seen it? Not because I disbelieve you, but because I have a religious fascination with her, and am always looking for new information. Oh, the three-in-one representations of Hecate are common throughout the eras in which she was commonly worshipped. But I’ve never seen any references to her as old prior to the late Roman era, and the classical scholarship on her I’ve read confirms this. Would you mind telling me where you’ve seen it? Not because I disbelieve you, but because I have a religious fascination with her, and am always looking for new information.

]]> By: StableGlynn http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1083 StableGlynn Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:33:08 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1083 Fantastic. But what is this about long island and iced tea? I went hunting and found no references, but I did see that there was a battle of long island long before the cocktail was invented... did you make that up or is it the truth? It's a testament to your storytelling that I can't tell, I suspect, but it's good to believe a few impossible things before breakfast anyway. Fantastic. But what is this about long island and iced tea? I went hunting and found no references, but I did see that there was a battle of long island long before the cocktail was invented… did you make that up or is it the truth?

It’s a testament to your storytelling that I can’t tell, I suspect, but it’s good to believe a few impossible things before breakfast anyway.

]]> By: Eric A. Burns http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1082 Eric A. Burns Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:41:01 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1082 Oh, I quite agree RE the modern nature of the triple goddess and the triple goddess archetype. To my knowledge Robert Graves was the first to suggest Kore/Demeter/Hekate as aspects of the same goddess rather than separate ones, for example. That's why I said there was "scholarship" on the issue rather than asserting it. The concept of Jungian archetypes and the Campbellian cycle are all thoroughly modern, even when they map and work closely. However, I've seen plenty of examples of three-in-one and ancient/cronish representations of Hekate during the preGreek and protoGreek periods. The Greeks refined Hekate (when they mentioned her at all) into a young woman, but she -- and a lot of earlier variations on these Goddesses -- was a lot more complex before the Indoeuropean influx and the paternal shift. Hecate, in all her incarnations and all her movements, is a fascinating deity. There's ways in which she kept her complexity and a lot of her Chthonic nature where none of the others did. Oh, I quite agree RE the modern nature of the triple goddess and the triple goddess archetype. To my knowledge Robert Graves was the first to suggest Kore/Demeter/Hekate as aspects of the same goddess rather than separate ones, for example. That’s why I said there was “scholarship” on the issue rather than asserting it. The concept of Jungian archetypes and the Campbellian cycle are all thoroughly modern, even when they map and work closely.

However, I’ve seen plenty of examples of three-in-one and ancient/cronish representations of Hekate during the preGreek and protoGreek periods. The Greeks refined Hekate (when they mentioned her at all) into a young woman, but she — and a lot of earlier variations on these Goddesses — was a lot more complex before the Indoeuropean influx and the paternal shift.

Hecate, in all her incarnations and all her movements, is a fascinating deity. There’s ways in which she kept her complexity and a lot of her Chthonic nature where none of the others did.

]]> By: MadGastronomer http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1081 MadGastronomer Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:53:58 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1081 Persephone's story had always been one of my favorites. You did a wonderful job with it! One or two minor quibbles about your notes, though: The notion of the Maiden-Mother-Crone trinity of goddesses is a modern one, not an ancient one. While there are many examples in the ancient world of sets of three goddesses, or multiples of three goddesses, or goddesses who had three bodies (such as Hecate herself), none of these are specifically divided up this way, and are generally considered to be the same apparent age. I could track down for you exactly who first proposed the notion that triple goddesses represented three stages of a woman's life (first stated, I believe, as the Maiden, the Mother, "and one other"), but it didn't happen until the late nineteenth or early twentieth century. Oh, and in ancient mythology, the earliest reference in Greece to a goddess being specifically young and a maiden was to Hekate. It's not until the late Roman period that Hecate was ever referred to as old, and even that is found only in plays, and only in her vengeful aspect. Persephone’s story had always been one of my favorites. You did a wonderful job with it!
One or two minor quibbles about your notes, though: The notion of the Maiden-Mother-Crone trinity of goddesses is a modern one, not an ancient one. While there are many examples in the ancient world of sets of three goddesses, or multiples of three goddesses, or goddesses who had three bodies (such as Hecate herself), none of these are specifically divided up this way, and are generally considered to be the same apparent age. I could track down for you exactly who first proposed the notion that triple goddesses represented three stages of a woman’s life (first stated, I believe, as the Maiden, the Mother, “and one other”), but it didn’t happen until the late nineteenth or early twentieth century. Oh, and in ancient mythology, the earliest reference in Greece to a goddess being specifically young and a maiden was to Hekate. It’s not until the late Roman period that Hecate was ever referred to as old, and even that is found only in plays, and only in her vengeful aspect.

]]> By: LurkerWithout http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1080 LurkerWithout Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:48:46 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1080 Have I mentioned lately how much I hate you? I mean I figured I was being clever with a recent short piece with Frigga & her Handmaidens as a rock band. But then you come along, after a lengthy absence and just DESTROY me with this. Hate you soooo much. Stop being so damn awesome... Jerk. Have I mentioned lately how much I hate you? I mean I figured I was being clever with a recent short piece with Frigga & her Handmaidens as a rock band. But then you come along, after a lengthy absence and just DESTROY me with this. Hate you soooo much. Stop being so damn awesome…

Jerk.

]]> By: Plaid Phantom http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1079 Plaid Phantom Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:26:37 +0000 http://banter-latte.annotations.com/2007/12/04/prosperina-a-mythology-of-the-modern-world-holiday-special/#comment-1079 Yay! A happy ending! And I can totally see the goddess of nature being that petty. Weather often seems so pretentious. Yay! A happy ending!

And I can totally see the goddess of nature being that petty. Weather often seems so pretentious.

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